And Expeditions is goofed up again

[Markjc2002]

I am... Server 10, level 148. First-wave level 148 Heroes were faced. I got through it, the worst being 1-3 with
having to face bone, Kraken, karaoke, plant soul, wee witch, with nothing built up.... trying to use contest Heroes.
Now comes wave number 2 and I'm facing level 154 characters? Wave 2? Facing heroes six levels higher than I am? This isn't level five, wave 5 - 3 this is Wave 2?
Glad to see the game is consistently bad.

[LooneyTunes]

It's still a bit more tailored to your level from what I see. Not sure what orange levels you have, and that example looks like orange, orange 1? I've been getting sometimes issues on level 2 or 3, but usually 4 is the doozy. It may dependant on how your all over toons are. I have 11 c4, 2 c1, a bunch of various orange levels, rest are purple, green and white. I also believe that expo draws from FP along with crypt as well, but don't quote me on that. Pretty much, I just play expo for the tokens, but I'm not bothered if I can't finish it. It bores me.

[Markjc2002]

You should never face Tunes six or seven levels higher than you are, period. Especially with a contest... that's just rude.... to have a contest where you're using new characters, having a face Tunes Seven Levels higher than you are? There's no use even competing in the contest. they're telegraphing the fact they want you to buy everything, they don't even want you to be able to Win It.
When was the last time you had an all Hero chest, soulstones?
I got diamonds with nothing to spend them on

[Stigt]

Upgrade Burned One, he can carry any three other heroes through ludicrous contest when paired with medusa. Only need to change him for shaman for a spectral dragon line.

[Reveille]

7 levels really isn't a lot especially with the advantage of having a charged team from the previous level.
Sometimes I get one in the first stage and that does really suck. But if you've had even 1 or 2 runs to warm up some heroes you can clear a round as long as it's withing a few rarities of your own.
There's a ton of really good advice threads here on the forums and what Stigt said above too. You just need to be running / charging up the right heroes.
On an S10 account I'm running around 10 levels (2 rarities) behind what I'm hitting and with a few key heroes charged am not having trouble clearing expedition during contests.
If trying to run all 3 heroes is too troublesome just run the one worth the most points for some of the stages. You can make up the points somewhere else pretty easily.

[Markjc2002]

You're missing the point. During contest you're using very low level fresh Heroes.
With bone dragon being in every single line it seems you can't keep anything charged.
And now that karaoke is out, it doesn't matter if you're charged or not, you can't use it. You can't fire your white, because karaoke turns it off.
And yes I have gone up against a karaoke that instantly fires, just like Master Thief instantly fires in expeditions.
Where these characters get their charge from is unknown, but they instantly activate their white.
And as I stated previously in the thread, all three chapter 1 lines, had bone... nothing was "charged", going into chapter 2.
Expeditions implementation in the past, even at the most ludicrous level, never had you starting chapter 1, Wave 1, equal to or more than your present level.
especially during a contest.
That just tells me that "they" don't want you to win the prizes, they want you to buy them.

[Reveille]

Not agreeing with you doesn't mean I don't understand you.
Based on my own experience on the same server with lower level heroes, running through Ludicrous with some combination of contest heroes is possible at least 90% of the time.

I'm saying that you can absolutely run whatever crap heroes they give you for the contest if you can get a couple key heroes charged in the first room.
I'm agreeing that if you're hit with a tough line in the first stage it can become impossible. That's just the breaks. It's tough being behind.
If you're hitting those tough lines all through stage 1 then don't run any contest heroes right off. Run what you need to to push through then cycle them in when it eases up.
Also as I said, if you're having trouble running all 3 then it makes a ton of sense to only run the one that is worth the most points. You can recoup the points somewhere else and clearing the expedition with 1 is better than failing with 3.
You can't fix the algorithm (and there's no telling if or when it'll ever be fixed) you can only find a way to work through it or give up completely I suppose.

Expeditions haven't changed. The pool of teams just gets more and more screwed up as attrition takes it's toll.
We've been seeing the toughest teams creep earlier and earlier on the older servers for months (probably longer).
The idea that the devs would go in and tweak code to keep someone from winning points in a contest sounds like someones joke conspiracy theory.

[Rogue_Jesus]

use the modifier to your advantage, burned, Kaiju,and Slayer for bone/void lines. And to one of your previous replies where you said the charge was "unknown" they most likely had dm. Js

[Har_Hausakluiff]

Two contests in a row had Expo open with impossible to beat line, no excuses accepted for it. As for "luck" excuse, had the same happen only once in all the days from preceding to after both contests.

[Logopile]

And last night I rolled through all 15 battles with my lvl155 account and never faced a line >lvl100.
Yes. It is Luck.

[Har_Hausakluiff]

Now if that IS TRUE Logo. Luck and not strategy are the entire basis of DS. With that I will agree; since gaining heroes or their stones out of chests/in Elite, drawing well in Expo, FP and Coli groupings, getting the most desirable results when runing and most other features of the game are based on chance.

[Tar_Vanimelde]

HH: Don't you go nosing about like a yellow journalist to expose such secrets, you might find yourself unable to enter Expo at all 🤣

[Markjc2002]

Currently in contest, I am in the top 25% and I only have 3 out of 8 tiers completed.... that tells you how difficult and unreasonable the contest is....
It was fixed at one time.

[Markjc2002]

Just because it's a conspiracy theory doesn't mean it's not true. it was a conspiracy theory that when the current management took over, the focus would be just on spending money, not even really playing the game correctly. That's turned out to be absolutely true.
It's obviously pretty straightforward that everything has been tweaked to favor the person that spends a lot of money. The free-to-play people don't really stand a chance.

[Har_Hausakluiff]

Fourth contest in a row where the opposing lines began with ridiculous overmatches. Note: Only in contests during this period was it thus and also that I stated began, as in the very first round.